Are we going to do it in 2018?

old man emu

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#1
We have been discussing the implications of imperfect physical condition on Class 2 and RAMPC medicals, and many have pointed out diabetes and coronary reasons for a person not coming up to the required medical standard.

I've been thinking that it's about time we bit the bullet and, for those of us who are carrying the equivalent of a few extra litres in belly tanks to do something about draining them.

What I am suggesting is that those who could do with some draining start the process at the beginning of January 2018, and see how it goes month by month.

This is what the average Australian 21-year-old male was like in the 1940's:

Physique of recruits
Second Echelon, A.H.Q., examined the records of more than 25,000 men of the army with the object of discovering their average height, weight and chest measurement on enlistment. It found that the averages for men who were 21, for example, on enlistment were: height, 5 feet 7.6 inches (171 cm); weight, 147 pounds (66.6 kg); chest, 36.8 inches (93 cm). The average height for various age-groups ranged from 5 feet 7 inches to 5 feet 8.4 inches (the latter for a relatively small sampling of men aged 44).

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That height and weight data gives a computed BMI of 22.8. At the same height, a weight of 73 kg puts one at the top of the "healthy" range. BMI Calculator | The Heart Foundation.

For a six-footer, the upper limit of "healthy" is 83 kg.

How can the draining be done?

I think that the first thing we should do is go back to the sort of diet our fathers ( or grandfathers for you pups) grew up on. One of the first things is to avoid anything made with vegetable/plant oils. When you consider human evolution, humans never before used plant oils to such an extent in their diets. (Mediterraneans excepted, but they balanced the use of olive oil with other foods.) Actually, if one has north-western European ancestry, dairy products were more normal sources of fats in their diets.

One should also try to avoid meat from animals grown intensively, like poultry and pork, because their food contains a lot of plant oils, and they are what they eat.

So, are we ready to try the "Meat and Three Veg, brown bag lunch and Weet Bix for breakfast" fuel draining diet?

OME
 

Old Koreelah

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#2
Interesting figures, OME. I'd like to see that data analysed thoroughly. I suspect diet has less impact than our addiction to labour-saving devices.
I was raised on meat and three veg, but breathed a sigh of relief when I discovered Asian food. Haven't eaten red meat in forty years. I live on the stuff you want us to avoid, and still fit into the racing leathers made for me in 1977. I walk (or run) up escalators (if they're not blocked by people too lazy to climb). I use a pick and shovel every day and carry arm loads of firewood up a steep hill. Use it, or lose it.
 

old man emu

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#3
There are some people who are built like racing greyhounds - all pr|ck and ribs, but there are lots of us who are like Labradors with a key to the larder. Them's who I was addressing.
 

facthunter

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#4
Drastic diets are temporary and It comes back on quickly. The change must be Permanent so you reach a stable weight you desire. There's instant benefits for most like your blood sugar drops and sometimes diabetics don't need insulin. any more. Too rapid weight loss will atrophy muscles and you permanently lose strength. Unused muscles atrophy anyhow and if you are weak you are more prone to injury.No One was obese in any prison camp. They had effective weight reduction diets called starvation. Excess intake of calories is stored as fat and you have to do a lot of exercise to work off a fizzy drink or a bar of chocolate..
Give up most processed things, Carbonated drinks cakes biscuits and grog. Cut the red meat down Forget processed meats. They are bad stuff. Don't fall for the "IF I had to do that to stay alive I'd rather be dead" cop out.. I doubt would you mean it anyhow.
Salt, fat and sugar are addictive and that's why there's plenty of that stuff in processed foods. They are NOT good for you either, but they are cheap and there's profit to be made at the expense of your health.. Before we had fast foods we didn't have (many) FAT people. Now we don't have many who are not fat. The majority of the diseases we NOW die from are lifestyle related, not transmitted. Nev
 

old man emu

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#5
Yep, Facthunter, I agree that drastic weight loss programs are only good for jockeys and prize fighters.

What I was suggesting was a return to the 'home cooked' food we grew up on. Nothing fried, except eggs, or the occasional Friday night Pommy baked dinner. Nothing that has been produced in a factory (milk excepted). Water to slake one's thirst - soda or tonic water when socialising. I'm still going to have a glass of red (Chateau Cardboard) a couple of times a week. No bought lunches. No take away. Home baked, no added sugar biscuits and cake. Plenty of fruit and veggies washed down with ample water.

I wouldn't be trying for a rapid weight loss, but I think that by getting back to a 1950's, one could expect an average weight loss of about 750 gms per week over 52 weeks. That's about 40 kg over the year, which would put the majority of people back into the 20 - 25 BMI range that is supposed to be healthy.
 

willedoo

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#6
I suspect that what causes excess weight might vary, depending on an individual persons metabolism. For many years, I blamed things like bread and beer for it, but finally found out that sugar was the culprit for me.
 

old man emu

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#7
It is definitely the added sugar. That's why one shouldn't eat a lot of factory produced "just like mother used to make" goods. Better to spend some time in the kitchen yourself so that you can control the amount you use.

They do say that getting off sugar is like getting off any other addictive chemical. It's murder for the first six weeks, then you are over the hump and don't care for it any more.

We can't dismiss excess fat, which now is mostly plant sourced. We need to get back to butter, dripping and lard. If nothing else, animal fats in our body's fat stores are more solid than plant based fats, which are more liquid. It's the plant based fats that make your belly shake like jelly on a plate.
 

old man emu

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#8
I have always been big, at 73, I am 136 kg. . My blood sugar, blood pressure and cholesterol are all in the normal range. No indication of diabetes. Have blood tests every few months..
Sorry, you failed the RAMPC BMI standard, unless you are about 7 feet tall. No ifs, buts or maybes.
 

spacesailor

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#11
" Nothing that has been produced in a factory (milk excepted). Water to slake one's thirst - soda or tonic water when socialising."
Water now has two poisons in it,
Milk has a chemical to "emulsify" the fat into the water.
And I use "Saccharin" A cancer causing chemical instead of a natural plant extract Sugar.
I daren't get on the scales as my new affliction, "Bursar" on an arthritic hip, has stopped all my exercising until the inflammation settles down.
Please note I'm Considering having a leg a leg off to save weight!.
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spacesailor

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#12
But how to reduce your weight if "none mobile", Hobble here, hobble there, hobble every-were. And I love my food, portions are getting smaller tho,
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facthunter

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#13
Get a water purifier and drink lots of it. (even if you have to get up to Pee more often) it's the single biggest factor in maintaining health. If you don't drink enough, bad things happen. Double vision, dizziness, thickened blood, kidney health suffers, stroke .etc. many medical people look at some of my blood tests and say your kidneys are better than mine (and they are less than half my age). If you feed your pet dog on rubbish it will get real sick. You are no different, and of course "DON'T SMOKE". unless you want to die, badly.. Health is worth more than money. Avoid processed food You don't know what's in it. IF it keeps well, even bacteria won't eat it. so you shouldn't either. Nev
 

spacesailor

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#15
I must drink all of 150mil of water a day!, but Gallons of Tea.
All that tannin from tea makes my poo "Tannin-Brown".
The only filter to remove fluoride is a reverse osmosis filter, and very expensive.
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